tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post8128613881908323777..comments2024-03-28T00:33:53.397+13:00Comments on Local Bodies: Tame Iti the TerroristDave Kennedyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-7684279061069630472012-05-09T00:38:16.388+12:002012-05-09T00:38:16.388+12:00hmm, Shunda, you obviously didn't understand w...hmm, Shunda, you obviously didn't understand what I had written, my post was about the police management of the situation and level of risk Tame provided. You need to read my replies to jh, who also tried to accuse me of defending the actions of Tame.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-37879908762171707502012-05-07T12:59:01.946+12:002012-05-07T12:59:01.946+12:00If Tame was white, he would be labelled a dangerou...If Tame was white, he would be labelled a dangerous racist by the likes of bsprout etc.<br /><br />This guy is not freedom fighter, he is an angry man full of hate.<br /><br />You are a fool to be an apologist for such appalling and dangerous behaviour.Shunda barundahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219083543563439917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-52565497298195508182012-04-10T18:47:55.342+12:002012-04-10T18:47:55.342+12:00Pauline, I always believe that one should always a...Pauline, I always believe that one should always attempt to solve issues at the lowest level first before resorting to heavy handed responses. I have never attempted to defend what Tame was doing but it is becoming more obvious the the police response was over the top. Most of the people they raided were only loosely involved with Tame and had no more against them than being environmental activists.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-18663398079160450902012-04-10T11:52:51.555+12:002012-04-10T11:52:51.555+12:00Sorry Dave i don't agree with your perspective...Sorry Dave i don't agree with your perspective of Tame iti ...lets not forget this is the guy that was trying to stop and demand money from people visiting the public national park in his area not so amny years ago .<br /><br />If anyone else like a white power gang etc were running around with automatic weapons and throwing molotov cocktails; we would be demanding the police take action. So why do you see Tama iti should be treated any different, to any other NZer behaving like he was?<br /><br />If Tama doesn't believe he is a Kiwi re not signing with the treaty etc, and should be treated different to anyone else, then the answers simple don't expect to enjoy the benefits of being a Kiwi. Such as the benefits of our welfare system, education, health road works etc etc.<br /><br />Sorry Dave is this case I believe the police had not choice and I hope Tama and friends get the full force of the legal system on them. <br /><br />Lets not forget the others picked up only got off being tried for terrorism on a technicality. Tama and friends were not found not guilty either of terrorism only a hung jury ie no verdict. <br /><br />Rememebr the police comments about Tama iti re his media personality. The police said the personal frontage we see in the media is NOT the frontage they have to deal with ie he has two personalities one for the media and one for those in authority.paulinemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171660475067005338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-34743858973570285462011-09-12T11:04:38.203+12:002011-09-12T11:04:38.203+12:00I wonder if RG was the class clown at school? usin...I wonder if RG was the class clown at school? using humour to diffuse (and send his message). Always gives me a giggle. ThanksKyliehttp://motupohue.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-29531011607089922112011-09-12T07:07:16.017+12:002011-09-12T07:07:16.017+12:00jh sometimes goes undercover in his missions to er...jh sometimes goes undercover in his missions to erode Green Party support, using the 'name' hj.<br />Don't be fooled by this cunning ploy bsprout - hj is jh in disguise!!!<br />The lengths he's willing to go to to remain anonymous! Sinister!robertguytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335459362715594644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-89906908364182123062011-09-12T00:14:05.280+12:002011-09-12T00:14:05.280+12:00anarkaytie-Thanks for the advice, I am actually ve...anarkaytie-Thanks for the advice, I am actually very familiar with jh from past Frogblog days, his redeeming feature is that he is a keen cyclist (if I remember rightly). <br /><br />You are probably right about the feeding thing, I shouldn't have felt sorry for him, I don't think he has been fed for a while.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-19282482121793070452011-09-11T23:54:01.774+12:002011-09-11T23:54:01.774+12:00ahaa, I see jh has moved his trolling behaviour fu...ahaa, I see jh has moved his trolling behaviour further afield than just frogblog.<br /><br />Dave, you may find that reasonable, logical responses get nowhere with him, as the rest of us have, and that not feeding the troll works better. <br /><br />Hungry trolls generally go somewhere else to feed, where they can find more easily impressed people who don't counter their trolling with facts.anarkaytiehttp://anarkaytie.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-22919904027711679072011-09-11T23:16:18.039+12:002011-09-11T23:16:18.039+12:00Crazy stuff for sure, Jh, I gather there was a lot...Crazy stuff for sure, Jh, I gather there was a lot of hot air recorded and this would have been a good time to make a phone call. I bet none of the environmentalists were involved in these conversations. It will be interesting to see how the court cases pan out and if this crazy talk is attributed to the final four.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-33462007610108770442011-09-11T19:38:29.593+12:002011-09-11T19:38:29.593+12:00"Tuhoe wouldn't have popular support for ..."Tuhoe wouldn't have popular support for a bombing campaign in New Zealand."<br />Reply: "It would in Tuhoe though ... What about if we did a bombing campaign that blew up Waihopai spy base, power dams, gas facilities, TV stations and radios ... It's a strategy that's gonna be f...... urban warfare. We are training in the wrong place."<br />First speaker: "What's going to be the strategy?"<br />Reply: "Strategy will divide, will divide Aotearoa ... extreme violence and extreme f...... actions too."jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-53478700340916975992011-09-11T19:26:44.192+12:002011-09-11T19:26:44.192+12:00evidence was that Tame and his group were planning...evidence was that Tame and his group were planning RIA style terrorist attacks (murder). The police would have been damned if they did;damned if they didn't act. Keith was giving them (all) a character reference.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-84478571357462799172011-09-11T18:44:38.176+12:002011-09-11T18:44:38.176+12:00Jh, as far as I know Tame iti hasn't broken do...Jh, as far as I know Tame iti hasn't broken down doors and terrorised innocent families and children with loaded weapons. The extreme behaviour shown by the police and supported by many MPs was a matter of concern, hence the comments you quote.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-41062022089712813392011-09-11T17:55:23.983+12:002011-09-11T17:55:23.983+12:00There was a lot of Green Party support for Tame It...There was a lot of Green Party support for Tame Iti and the people arrested in the raids. <br />Keith Locke said :<br /> “I would feel more comfortable in the company of those arrested in the raids than I would among some of my fellow MP’s in Parliament”.* http://www.youtube.com/v/lyCA_h3pkgk<br />Meteria told supporters "we are winning the media war". Not to mention posts on Frogblog by Catherine Delahunty.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-61890653378143583962011-09-11T15:54:57.780+12:002011-09-11T15:54:57.780+12:00I don't quite understand where you are coming ...I don't quite understand where you are coming from, Jh. If you read my blog you would have also read the following:<br /><br /> "I also believe that his training camps were poorly thought through, fantasist and a probably a bit silly..."<br /><br />"...in New Zealand any gun activity that doesn't involve hunting or organised sport would be cause for concern."<br /><br />What support for Tame iti are you referring to? I was criticising the level of action use by the police when a much lower level of intervention would have worked. The police action has cost tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars when a quick phone call would have surficed.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-22894140951300261122011-09-11T15:42:01.517+12:002011-09-11T15:42:01.517+12:00"The big question is not so much Tame iti'..."The big question is not so much Tame iti's behaviour but the police management of the situation."<br />...<br />"The man attended the camp in the Urewera Ranges after an invitation from Tuhoe activists, but only went once after being "overwhelmed" and "a bit freaked out" by their military-style practices, the source said."<br /><br />I would say the support given by the Green Party is also an issue.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-55046353793118530962011-09-11T13:47:13.516+12:002011-09-11T13:47:13.516+12:00I think I need a full time proof reader, I have ha...I think I need a full time proof reader, I have had offers. :-)Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-33716979215454338472011-09-11T13:32:42.194+12:002011-09-11T13:32:42.194+12:00"scares the hell out off many New Zealanders,..."scares the hell out off many New Zealanders,"<br /><br />So's your English :-)robertguytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335459362715594644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-72270535385169332292011-09-11T11:37:51.113+12:002011-09-11T11:37:51.113+12:00So it is Robert, my reo is appalling,So it is Robert, my reo is appalling,Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-47494434058397863552011-09-11T11:24:58.117+12:002011-09-11T11:24:58.117+12:00Hey Dave, it's TameHey Dave, it's Tam<b>e</b>robertguytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335459362715594644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-23397201317612710682011-09-11T11:15:25.678+12:002011-09-11T11:15:25.678+12:00Hi jh, if you read the about the history of Tuhoe ...Hi jh, if you read the about the history of Tuhoe you would have a greater understanding of their perspective. Your perception of what most Maori want is a little on the extreme side.Dave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3612441315352179822.post-89645004178670999472011-09-11T11:04:58.609+12:002011-09-11T11:04:58.609+12:00I don't think people are afraid of Tame iti th...I don't think people are afraid of Tame iti they just see the adoption of the left (and Green Party) of Maori nationalism as a backward step.jhnoreply@blogger.com